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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 462 for the 27th of

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August 2017 richardsaunders here with

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you from a very sunny Sydney Australia

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but not too hot

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winters still here not for long I've

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noticed things are blooming the

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weather's getting warmer but for the

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moment it's it's very nice coming up on

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this week's show apart from the weather

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report a grain of salt with Iran say

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give Iran is gallivanting globe-trotting

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he was recently in North America where

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the lucky dog witnessed the total solar

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eclipse more about the Eclipse in a

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moment folks more about that in a moment

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and he caught up with a dear old friend

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of the skeptics our dr. pamela gaye the

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famous astronomer now pamela is the

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director of the technology and citizen

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science at the Astronomical Society of

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the Pacific that's quite a title and

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iran chats to pamela about her work

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there and the outreach they do including

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mapping planets

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following that it's the raw skeptic

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report with heidi robertson exciting

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news for the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters a group as they have been

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nominated for the North Coast primary

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health networks 2017 Community Choice

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excellent award Heidi will tell us about

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this nomination and how you how you can

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vote further organization in that award

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links on the show notes and it's so nice

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to see that a group like that is getting

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even more recognition then coming up

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after that it's brouhaha science from

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Australia science TV with SJ Yousuf Ali

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talking about algae what do you want to

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know about algae and how important it is

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and they think at the the Australia

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science TV they think it should be

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nominated for Australian of the Year hmm

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that's an interesting one then we bring

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you what's turning out to be a major

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story here in Australia about a

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Melbourne GP who has been investigate

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after he outed himself on a video at a

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screening of the movie VAX

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where he almost boasted about helping

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parents dodge a vaccination for their

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children and as I say later on in the

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report this vast movement silver linings

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there are many good things coming out

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about this awful movie being shown

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around Australia including the outing of

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anti vaccination doctors by themselves

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by themselves and what's the expression

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they only open their mouth to change

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feet oh boy a very interesting and

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revealing story and a continuing story

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about anti vaccination GPS went around

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off the show may not spooky action more

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from the recent Sydney Science Festival

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and once again Maynard runs around a

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scientific institution interviewing all

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sorts of scientists this time it's at

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the Australian Museum where Maynard and

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I were all of last week performing for

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the science festival as part of the

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school's events performing our mystery

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investigator show and there's a bit some

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clips some highlights from the mystery

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investigator show a bit later on but

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before that may not speaks to people

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caves which is a wonderful cave system

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getting back to the solar eclipse if you

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skeptics guide to the universe who was

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very excited very excited about going to

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see that solar eclipse he did I'm

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friends and family who were they

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during during the solar eclipse okay we

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jealous I'm very jealous but now it's

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time for me to run downstairs open up a

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box of imported Indian curry yes

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imported if they come in these little

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boxes they're very cheap and you take

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them out of the box and then into sort

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of a foil pouch new undo that pour the

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lunch or dinner imported Indian curry

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wish or yogurt or things like that maybe

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sounds good to me while I'm enjoying all

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that I hope you enjoy the sceptic zone

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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is around second I am at the moonrise

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hotel we're actually sitting at a gym

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because that's the place that's why it's

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quiet it's it's true we're stepping away

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from all of the revelry and all of the

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celebration after a day of watching the

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moon get in the way of our view of the

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Sun and the voice that you're hearing

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and most of you probably recognize is

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that Pamela gay Oh much better although

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you can probably tell by my voice that

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you know I've gone through through

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something but we just had an eclipse

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weekend and then some it was wonderful

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by all accounts you tell us about your

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experience with the Eclipse what

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happened to you so this entire adventure

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started on Friday morning when we all

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began to converge on this beautiful moon

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Missouri in the middle of the United

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States group of us went on an amazingly

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sometimes harrowing bike ride in which I

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got lost and we went down a highway at

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one point because this is what I do we

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had two days of science and arts and

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science related music and then this

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morning before the Sun was fully up we

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boarded cars we boarded buses and we

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minutes and 40 seconds of a little tiny

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very annoying cloud being directly

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as people all around us were able to see

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bus that went into a an area just

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outside Carbondale and we had we saw the

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whole thing I know I know

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it's the the running joke all weekend

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has been I was going to abandon the

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entire team because my two prior

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attempts to see a solar eclipse included

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getting rained upon and when we all went

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to the Yucatan Peninsula the day the

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Mayan calendar ended we actually did

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almost die on a Mexican ferry i I know

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that somebody has to be that tail end of

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the Gaussian distribution of faiths and

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it seems to be my destiny or at least my

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statistically improbable reality to

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always be that tail end of the Gaussian

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distribution so I joked all weekend I

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was going to abandon all of you go hang

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and you'd all have a fabulous experience

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camera crew hmm yeah you'll have to

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continue trying it's worth it I I'm

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I always stay far away from people I

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care about so um let's move move on from

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the Eclipse can you tell me a little bit

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about what you do now I mean you

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listeners to astronomy cast will know

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that your title has changed it has you

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no longer the university of southern

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Illinios Edwardsville is that correct

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it's true so back in January I was hired

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Pacific and you may be thinking wait she

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lives in Illinois doesn't she and that

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an international organization and just

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as Australia is a Pacific nation the

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to take this more than hundred-year-old

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organization that was founded right

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after an eclipse from people that were

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taking through the first scientific data

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ever of an eclipse and helping them move

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digital era that's fantastic and but you

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still so the director of cosmic ways I'm

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still the director of cosmic West

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technically principal investigators the

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phrase that nASA uses on our paperwork

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to make sure the citizen science gets

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times and some of some of the reason

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some of the reasons that you visited

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were to raise funds for so we launched

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back in January of 2012 and at that

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point in time we were funded off of two

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separate NASA grants we had a series of

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different mission contracts we had some

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corporate sponsors but over the years

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the amount of funding available for

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people to do the kind of science in

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science education that I work on has

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fluctuated we went through a period

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called sequestration where they

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radically changed everyone's budgets and

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it was the donations of people like

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those out in our audience and it was

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because of the help of people like you

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and Richard that we were able to reach

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out and say can you help us bridge from

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today to tomorrow and that tomorrow came

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and today we're once again NASA funded

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project I'm not speaking for NASA right

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now right now I'm speaking is regular

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human being working for the Astronomical

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Society of the Pacific but we were able

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to carry on and get to this today where

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we're working to generate new citizen

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science projects and hopefully if we're

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project in the not-too-distant future to

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get help labeling astronaut photos this

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big thing we're gonna be looking to do

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because there's a whole lot of science

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in these pictures that are forest fires

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a flooding of farmer's fields and all

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their different states and shapes across

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the world sorry so these are photos

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taken by astronauts from space yes so

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the astronauts in the International

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Space Station have taken more than one

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and a half million photos and we know

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where the space station was when they

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took the photos and we know what camera

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and lens they were using but these

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photos aren't labeled so to make them

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usable for science we need to get the

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help of anyone out there who just wants

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to explore our world from an eagle-eyed

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view if that eagle was flying 300 miles

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up with the zoom lens that's amazing so

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when is this launching we're we're still

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waiting for a final approval to come

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from NASA headquarters again I'm not

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speaking for NASA today just to make

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that clear we're still waiting for word

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from NASA headquarters and now that the

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Eclipse is behind us we're hoping to be

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able to turn this around fairly quickly

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and get all of our software certified

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because well this is the kind of launch

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that we want it to be just as nominal as

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any spacecraft lunch is it going to be

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similar to things like Galaxy Zoo where

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you basically have the photos online and

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people are expected to provide the

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information online and then you kind of

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average out the results or see if

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everybody says the same thing that's

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exactly what we're doing so it's gonna

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be a multi-step process where we start

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out by asking is this a picture of outer

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space or looking down at the surface of

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the planet and depending on how you

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answer it then asks so do you see things

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like farms and oceans and coastlines or

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do you see the moon and stars and we're

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gonna work on narrowing it down and for

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those photos that are looking straight

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down at the earth or maybe at a slightly

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oblique angle we're gonna ask people to

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try and Center the photos up on Google

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Maps so that we can get the actual

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latitude and longitude of what it is

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that people are able to see in these

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images and they can really be used for

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science that way that's fantastic but

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what projects we have ongoing

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so currently we have mercury mappers

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Mars mappers which is about to get new

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data in the coming months we have moon

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mappers we are working to finish off

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Vesta so that we can bring series on and

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we have great new things planned for the

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future including what we're going to be

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working with the acai Rose Rex team to

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look at the asteroid Bennu so it's new

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things on a regular basis just keep

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helping us do science because there's

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more data than people so we need all the

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people that's very exciting so this you

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organized this Eclipse escape because

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that was through astronomy cast yes is

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there anything else that you're planning

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through a story guys so right now we're

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looking ahead and trying to figure out

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what it is we want to do next and what

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I'm hoping to do is in 2019 because 2018

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we have an International Astronomical

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Union meeting and that might eat a

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little bit of my summer by which I mean

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at least two weeks so we're looking

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ahead to 2019 so that we can wrap this

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up and plan well for the future and go

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sit around a campfire on top of a

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supervolcano in Yellowstone and look at

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the stars and roast marshmallows because

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sounds great that's that's kind of what

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I'm thinking feels right to do next

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okay very good I hope I'll be able to

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join you then I hope so too it's really

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been a pleasure thank you thanks very

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much Pamela thank you hi this is Ben

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Radford and this is Pascual Romero from

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the squaring the strange podcast every

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week my co-host and I cast a skeptical

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eye on a different topic monsters ghosts

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demons mysteries and even current events

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are dissected and discussed with a fun

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unscripted and skeptical take that

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squirting strange calm iTunes or on your

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it's the raw skeptic report with ID

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Robertson hello everyone as part of the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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group I can say that we are pretty

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chuffed that our group has recently been

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nominated for an excellence award from

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the North Coast primary health care

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network we have now heard that we are

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one of four finalists for the Community

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Choice Award the public can look at the

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four videos each two minutes in duration

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and decide which organization or group

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will get their vote we will put the link

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to the videos in this week's show notes

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at skeptic zone TV as well as on the

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skeptic zone Facebook page as skeptic

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zone listeners it would be great to have

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your support should you think we might

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be deserving of the award it is allowed

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for the public to vote every day once a

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day if they like here is the audio of

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the short video we made for the public

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we were introduced by social media as

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all concerned people within our

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community really worried about news that

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had come out that our vaccination rates

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were so low we got together and we

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thought we needed to do something about

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we all live in this region so we know

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what the cultural narrative is we know

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how much misinformation there is and we

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know how scared people are of vaccines

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we also know that parents just want to

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make the safest decisions for their kids

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fears become so much bigger when you

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don't talk about them or if you don't

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have anybody to speak to about them when

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you're fearful of immunizations you

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think that the worst-case scenario

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is every case so you think that the

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worst thing that could possibly happen

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is going to happen to your child who you

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love and you want to protect and it's

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not reality but it becomes reality in

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your mind because that's what you fear

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what we did is that we've developed some

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tools we've developed some resources

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we've written a website we've developed

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all sorts of memes and infographics that

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have provided our members with the tools

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to then go on and have peer-to-peer

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conversations our concert we call a

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thousand cups of tea because literally

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it takes sitting around a table having a

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thousand cups of tea listening to

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people's concerns and addressing each

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one at a time it often takes time to

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explain things in a way that someone

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understands or in a culturally safe way

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helping people find good sources of

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information it's been a really important

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part people are listening to what we say

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and even if they're not changing their

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minds straight away it does at least

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open the dialogue and get people

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I can kind of sympathize with people who

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has attempted but I can also let them

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know that the other side of the fence is

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extremely scary two of my children have

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had whooping cough you know my

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daughter's left off her life long lung

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disease from whooping cough not getting

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the vaccines is so much worse than any

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reaction that can happen if if a

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reaction is to happen with the vaccines

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we remain a grassroots unfunded group of

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local volunteers we have no affiliations

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or sponsors and our only formal

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collaboration is as part of the vaccine

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safety net meaning that our website has

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been ratified by the World Health

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Organization as an up-to-date and

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reliable source of information for

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vaccines and vaccine preventable disease

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I'll keep you updated on how we went in

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the voting the winner will be announced

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in September and now direct from the

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cafe and Australia's Science Channel

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it's brouhaha science in less time than

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it takes to order a coffee with such

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j-su folly sorry Serena Williams Kayne

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and Elon Musk there's a new contender

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for greatest of all time algae algae is

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responsible for all life on the planet

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yep

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what kind of just looks like sludge is

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the reason we're here this morning

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Australian scientists released a study

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showing that about 650 million years ago

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there was an algae explosion both in the

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number of different types and the sheer

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amounts of it out of this explosion more

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complex life began forming

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leading to everything we see around us

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today the evidence they found suggest

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this happen in Central Australia algae

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is Australian sorry well you can thank

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us later along with giving us life algae

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could also be the thing that saves us

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around the world scientists are using it

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to produce new clean fuels and create

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new food source it might even help clean

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the end so today we're launching a new

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campaign algae for 2018 Australia via

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forget your retired sports stars for an

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Australian that has contributed more to

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our way of life algae really is the

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greatest of all time

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it's time it gets the recognition it

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deserves for more brouhaha and

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Australian science visit w-w-w the last

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month or so we've been talking about the

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anti-vaccination movie vac stat - at

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Australia and subsequently of course

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Polly Tommy one of the producers was

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denied re-entry to Australia for at

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least three years when she left for New

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Zealand you can of course catch up on

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those reports over the last few weeks of

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the sceptic zone

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well it seems vac stay is the gift that

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just keeps on giving during one of these

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screenings of vac stin Melbourne during

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the Q&A and on the stage taking

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questions was Polly Tommy and Meryl Dory

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the former president of the Australian

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vaccination skeptics Network one of the

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the people lined up to ask questions or

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give statements was a Melbourne doctor

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by the name of dr. John peace

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P ie SS II who happily told the the

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crowd of his efforts to keep people from

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being immunized to keep children from

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being immunized and we take up the story

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reported on The Guardian The Guardian

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com an article published on the 24th of

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August by Melissa daily which says in

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part doctor investigated that were

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helping vaccinating children to avoid

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the no jab no play laws a Melbourne

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doctor who promotes quote natural

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healing in quit and helps parents to

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avoid compulsory vaccination for their

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children is reportedly being

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investigated by Australia's

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watchdog the Australian health

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practitioner regulation agency AHPRA is

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reportedly investigating doctor john

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pease who boasted at a meeting of anti

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vaccinators that he can help parents

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jump through the hoops and get their

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children exempt from victoria's quote no

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jab no pay and quote legislation pieces

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medical registration with AHPRA shows he

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has previously been ordered to undertake

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further education on Thursday Victoria's

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Acting Health Minister John Foley told

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Radio 3 aw in Melbourne that it was

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quote not good enough and quote piece

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was still being investigated after

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concerns about his anti vaccination

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comments were raised in August 2016

551
00:26:51,250 --> 00:26:49,460
quote by failing to vaccinate their

552
00:26:53,770 --> 00:26:51,260
children parents are putting their kids

553
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and others in our community at risk of

554
00:27:00,430 --> 00:26:56,290
terrible diseases or death end quote

555
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:00,440
Foley said in a video from an anti

556
00:27:05,049 --> 00:27:02,570
vaccination event held in August this

557
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:05,059
year published by The Herald Sun paste

558
00:27:11,530 --> 00:27:08,210
explains how he tries to beat compulsory

559
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:11,540
vaccination quote now I'm a doctor who

560
00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:14,090
has been working hard for 18 months to

561
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:16,460
try and help parents get exemption from

562
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:19,610
vaccinated pain for vaccinated play with

563
00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:22,970
mixed success you need a doctor's letter

564
00:27:28,030 --> 00:27:25,720
of contry indication in the right form

565
00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:28,040
provided the doctor has the

566
00:27:32,530 --> 00:27:30,500
qualifications required for Novak's no

567
00:27:35,890 --> 00:27:32,540
pay or is a registered medical

568
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:35,900
practitioner for no facts no plate in

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00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:38,840
quote he said the health department told

570
00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:40,940
the Guardian Australia it has referred

571
00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:44,630
one anti vaccination doctor to AHPRA but

572
00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:47,480
could not reveal further details due to

573
00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:51,260
confidentiality laws here are some clips

574
00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:54,860
gathered from the media and this story

575
00:28:00,030 --> 00:27:58,190
has made just about every TV news here

576
00:28:02,140 --> 00:28:00,040
in Australia and I've noticed

577
00:28:05,649 --> 00:28:02,150
internationally - it's been reported

578
00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:05,659
quite widely but here are some clips of

579
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:09,020
the relevant people speaking about this

580
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:10,610
recent event

581
00:28:14,889 --> 00:28:12,710
good evening a rebel anti-vaxxer has

582
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:14,899
spoken out after being exposed as one of

583
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:16,730
a group of Melbourne gp's under

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00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:19,190
investigation it comes after a video was

585
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:21,080
made public in which it was claimed

586
00:28:24,130 --> 00:28:22,399
doctors have helped hundreds of families

587
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:24,140
avoid vaccines

588
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:28,010
Andy Kearney has the story a doctor in

589
00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:29,830
the spotlight and under investigation

590
00:28:34,269 --> 00:28:32,390
are you worried about the investigation

591
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,279
well of course I'm not very comfortable

592
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:35,840
we were having my life taken over by it

593
00:28:40,509 --> 00:28:38,990
but you see you know I'm I am quite

594
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:40,519
convinced that there are many many

595
00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:42,769
children being damaged in our society by

596
00:28:47,649 --> 00:28:45,260
unsafe vaccines Melbourne doctor john

597
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,659
pease faces accusations he's helping

598
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:50,480
families dodge compulsory vaccinations

599
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:52,970
it's believed another two gp's are also

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00:28:59,230 --> 00:28:56,450
being investigated by authorities Nathan

601
00:29:02,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Templeton has more Nathan a number of

602
00:29:04,539 --> 00:29:02,450
GPS are under investigation good morning

603
00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:04,549
Larry and Kylie yes this explosive video

604
00:29:09,399 --> 00:29:06,830
that's just emerged was taken earlier

605
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,409
this month now there was a screening of

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00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:12,080
the controversial documentary fact and

607
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:14,570
this footage shows the Q&A that was held

608
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:17,570
afterwards and in it - GPS dr. John

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00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:19,970
Pease and dr. narrative James can be

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00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:22,010
heard telling the crowd how over the

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00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:24,830
past 18 months or so they have helped up

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00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:28,730
to 600 families avoid having their

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00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:31,700
children vaccinated dr. Pease also goes

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00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:34,580
into great detail about how doctors can

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00:29:39,789 --> 00:29:37,250
find loopholes so that anti-vaxxer

616
00:29:43,299 --> 00:29:39,799
marie's can get exemptions from those

617
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:43,309
compulsory immunizations he also speaks

618
00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:45,860
out against the no jab no play

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00:29:50,379 --> 00:29:47,960
regulations now there has been an

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00:29:52,269 --> 00:29:50,389
investigation underway for some time at

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00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:52,279
least three gPS

622
00:29:56,139 --> 00:29:54,230
are being looked into but now that this

623
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,149
video has come out and it's made

624
00:30:01,090 --> 00:29:58,240
front-page news you would expect that

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00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,100
investigation to really ramp up now

626
00:30:05,139 --> 00:30:03,679
Larry and Chloe a Melbourne GP who

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00:30:07,149 --> 00:30:05,149
claims to have helped hundreds of

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00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:07,159
parents dodge vaccinations for their

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00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:09,470
children has spoken out arguing he's

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00:30:14,019 --> 00:30:11,750
done nothing illegal but doctors have

631
00:30:16,629 --> 00:30:14,029
slammed john pease saying he's spreading

632
00:30:19,779 --> 00:30:16,639
dangerous misinformation Dougal BT with

633
00:30:22,029 --> 00:30:19,789
the story a qualified general

634
00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:22,039
practitioner - an advocate for the rogue

635
00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:23,960
anti-vaccination movement

636
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:26,150
I am quite convinced that there are many

637
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:27,920
many children being damaged in our

638
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:30,650
society by unsafe vaccines dr. John

639
00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:32,510
piece along with naturopath colleague

640
00:30:36,910 --> 00:30:34,580
narrator James were filmed earlier this

641
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:36,920
month claiming to help Melbourne parents

642
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:40,240
avoid immunizations for their children

643
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:49,300
but the doctor who's being investigated

644
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:51,830
says he's done nothing wrong so it's

645
00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:53,870
totally legal but they don't like it

646
00:30:58,090 --> 00:30:56,180
because they don't want anyone to be

647
00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:58,100
allowed not to vaccinate without penalty

648
00:31:02,410 --> 00:30:59,960
he's group accused of spreading

649
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,420
dangerous propaganda if you have a child

650
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:04,640
that's been you know brain damaged by

651
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:07,070
vaccines do you want to vaccinate their

652
00:31:10,540 --> 00:31:08,720
child further of course not

653
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:10,550
the government says the medical research

654
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:14,570
is clear vaccination saves lives other

655
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:16,730
doctors have hit out calling for him to

656
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:18,980
be barred from practice I think it's

657
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:20,210
extraordinary that he can hold his

658
00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:21,530
medical registration in the same

659
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:23,720
organisation that I do surgeon John

660
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:25,910
Cunningham says concerned parents are

661
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:28,910
being misled they've been given the fear

662
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,860
campaign and they're being sucked up

663
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:33,440
into the cult think of the anti-vaxxers

664
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:38,690
it's all about supporting an anti

665
00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:40,850
vaccination stance but authorities say

666
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:42,800
he and the others have to be held to

667
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:47,090
account dr. John piece is accused of

668
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:48,710
assisting family as opposed to

669
00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:51,920
compulsory child vaccinations I've been

670
00:31:58,510 --> 00:31:54,950
approached by hundreds of parents who

671
00:32:00,430 --> 00:31:58,520
want to get exemption from the penalties

672
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:00,440
for not vaccinating he's one of three

673
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:02,450
Melbourne doctors at the centre of an

674
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:04,370
investigation by the Victorian Health

675
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:05,900
Department and the Australian health

676
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:08,810
practitioner regulation agency I've been

677
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:10,490
going according to the law the letters

678
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,010
that I write according to the

679
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:15,440
requirements of the the legislation they

680
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:18,770
are totally legal I am astonished that

681
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:21,830
there are any people who have been

682
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:26,450
through medical degrees who would deign

683
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,190
to stoop to the level of supporting the

684
00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:33,440
anti-vaccination movement the film VAX

685
00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:35,720
has been causing controversy by linking

686
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:37,700
the measles mumps rubella vaccine

687
00:32:43,149 --> 00:32:39,529
autism which has been medically

688
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,159
discredited it is so important that

689
00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:45,440
everyone in the and those clips thanks

690
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:49,669
to the 10 Network the Seven Network The

691
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:52,730
Nine Network and the ABC here in

692
00:32:59,860 --> 00:32:56,510
Australia now what I find interesting

693
00:33:03,639 --> 00:32:59,870
about this whole story is that during

694
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:03,649
the the VAX screening and afterwards

695
00:33:11,289 --> 00:33:08,480
during the QA people felt embolden one

696
00:33:14,649 --> 00:33:11,299
might say they felt the ability to be

697
00:33:16,419 --> 00:33:14,659
able to vent to like minded people but

698
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:16,429
of course it was all video and this

699
00:33:21,419 --> 00:33:19,159
video ended up online and so they're

700
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:21,429
really damning themselves now with their

701
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:25,370
out of their own mouths so yes there is

702
00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:27,350
the silver lining to this awful movie

703
00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:29,169
VAX being shown up and down the country

704
00:33:41,169 --> 00:33:33,590
these these anti vaccination doctors are

705
00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:41,179
simply outing themselves since recording

706
00:33:45,310 --> 00:33:42,980
that story a couple of days ago there

707
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:45,320
have been further updates and again we

708
00:33:50,289 --> 00:33:47,929
look to the Guardian The Guardian calm

709
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:50,299
with an update to this story published

710
00:33:55,419 --> 00:33:53,330
on Saturday the 26th of August Melbourne

711
00:33:59,139 --> 00:33:55,429
GP accused of helping parents avoid

712
00:34:00,419 --> 00:33:59,149
vaccinations reprimanded thirteen years

713
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:00,429
ago

714
00:34:07,649 --> 00:34:03,380
medical practitioners Board of Victoria

715
00:34:10,839 --> 00:34:07,659
ordered dr. John peace be counseled in

716
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:10,849
2004 for failing to quote make

717
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:12,950
appropriate investigations of patient's

718
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:16,639
symptoms and quote a Melbourne doctor

719
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:18,530
under investigation for helping parents

720
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:21,169
evade compulsory vaccinations was

721
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,169
reprimanded a decade ago for failing to

722
00:34:29,169 --> 00:34:26,960
properly treat patients with potentially

723
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,179
life-threatening illnesses like cancer

724
00:34:34,809 --> 00:34:32,720
and depression the story goes on by

725
00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:34,819
Friday the Medical Board of Australia

726
00:34:40,899 --> 00:34:38,149
told piece that it intended to revoke

727
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,909
his medical registration piece a

728
00:34:45,609 --> 00:34:43,520
supporter of alternative medicine has a

729
00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:45,619
right of reply before that occurs

730
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:48,919
including an opportunity to outline why

731
00:34:54,380 --> 00:34:51,330
his license should not be revoked

732
00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:54,390
the time period usually allowed for a

733
00:35:00,380 --> 00:34:57,750
reply is one week but a report uncovered

734
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:00,390
by Guardian Australia shows that

735
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:03,720
concerns about peace were raised as far

736
00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:07,440
back as 2001 when Medicare Australia

737
00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:09,870
reported him because he charged Medicare

738
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:12,630
for long and prolonged consultations and

739
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:16,080
because he made an abnormally high

740
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:19,410
number of pathology requests during the

741
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:24,560
year 2000 he rendered 2137 services for

742
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:27,660
707 patients and the total Medicare

743
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,230
benefit of eighty seven thousand five

744
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,440
hundred and seventy dollars that year in

745
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:37,020
July 2003 a professional review

746
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,180
committee investigating the allegations

747
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:42,720
found that peices conduct during 2000

748
00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:45,360
quote caused a significant threat to the

749
00:35:51,590 --> 00:35:48,540
life or health of his patients it was

750
00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:51,600
concerned that dr. Pierce failed to make

751
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:53,550
appropriate investigations of patients

752
00:36:00,190 --> 00:35:56,430
symptoms of possibly serious conditions

753
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:00,200
such as cancer meningitis depression and

754
00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:03,240
anemia in quote a report from the

755
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,030
professional services review scheme said

756
00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:08,880
this information was referred to the

757
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:10,860
medical practitioners Board of Victoria

758
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:14,700
which in August 2004 ordered that piece

759
00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:18,510
be reprimanded counseled repay medical

760
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:21,870
benefits totaling 18,000 179 dollars and

761
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:25,080
be disqualified for 18 months from

762
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:27,330
providing certain GP services to

763
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,780
patients and the the story goes on with

764
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:32,760
more details and I'll certainly link to

765
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:35,730
this in the show notes and very much

766
00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:39,210
related to this story was the activities

767
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:41,670
of Polly Tommie here in Australia uef

768
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:43,560
had mentioned before has been banned

769
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:45,330
from coming back to Australia for three

770
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:50,940
years and in an online rant video online

771
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:52,290
rant published it

772
00:36:59,570 --> 00:36:56,130
we are vast Facebook page Polly Tommy

773
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,580
briefly mentions this situation I look

774
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:02,880
at Australia and it's laughable what is

775
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:04,380
happening over there they're taking that

776
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,460
poor doctor they try

777
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:08,400
take that poor doctor down now that's

778
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:11,130
not surprising I guess but what's what's

779
00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:13,050
also interesting about this online rant

780
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:15,390
which goes for about five or six or

781
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:18,810
seven minutes or so is that it really

782
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:21,030
does show that these people are so

783
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:25,470
wrapped up in their world of conspiracy

784
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:27,720
theories have a listen to this short

785
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:34,050
excerpt so far we are so far up here and

786
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,880
you guys are so far down here and I get

787
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,440
you're panicking I get that you're

788
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:39,060
sending up every troll that you can I'm

789
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:40,980
seeing I'm seeing people coming out of

790
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:43,140
the woodwork now that with that 20 years

791
00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:44,940
ago and they vanish and I'll all back

792
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:47,790
out again so you clearly have had some

793
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,480
kind of emergency alert email get back

794
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:53,700
out get into the game we're losing

795
00:37:58,460 --> 00:37:55,800
they're winning we have to stop it now

796
00:37:59,570 --> 00:37:58,470
and no one's getting a bonus no holiday

797
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,580
for you next year

798
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:02,220
no Christmas bonus so here she is

799
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:03,540
implying that there's some sort of

800
00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:06,810
overarching central control sending out

801
00:38:13,339 --> 00:38:10,670
emails to doctors and trolls apparently

802
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:13,349
and then she implies of course that if

803
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:17,220
the doctors aren't vaccinating or towing

804
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:19,890
the pharmaceutical big pharma line or

805
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:21,089
something like this then they're not

806
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:23,750
going to get money in the form of

807
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:26,010
bonuses or their holidays or something

808
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:29,099
like this it's it's it's again it's it's

809
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:33,480
this Illuminati conspiracy theory evil

810
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:35,700
Big Pharma controlling everything frame

811
00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:38,700
of mind that dictates so much of their

812
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:43,230
actions and finally if there was any

813
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:45,210
doubt which there shouldn't be by now

814
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:48,540
that these people are vehemently anti

815
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:52,320
vaccination and not pro-choice as the

816
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:54,390
Australian vaccination skeptics Network

817
00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:58,980
likes to say in public listen to this

818
00:39:04,099 --> 00:39:01,230
clip from Polly Tommy because there's

819
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:04,109
more and more and more babies being born

820
00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:06,839
that are not going to be vaccinated over

821
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:08,670
our dead bodies do you come near our

822
00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:12,690
babies with a needle of any kind I don't

823
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:14,670
forget that Polly Tommy and Merrill Dory

824
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:16,680
were quite happy to sit side by side on

825
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,290
the stage during a

826
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of axle during the Q&A we will bring you

827
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:25,570
any updates to this developing story

828
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:44,000
QED 2017 is fast approaching and you

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00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:45,030
don't want to miss it

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in the acid QED has brought you the

831
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:49,140
arrows of time the origin of recording

832
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an escape from the Westboro Baptists the

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sex bias of sex science and all manner

834
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,190
of other science pseudoscience activism

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slacktivism and more plus insects for

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breakfast mmm YUM

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QED 2017 takes place on the fourteenth

838
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,280
and fifteenth of October in Manchester

839
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,440
England we've already known speakers

840
00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:09,420
like Sophie Wilson co-inventor of the

841
00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:12,030
armed computer chip Simon Singh who will

842
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:14,100
be showing how to crack a genuine Enigma

843
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:16,110
machine Phil's great and talking through

844
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:17,160
the real-life cover-up of the

845
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:19,050
Hillsborough tragedy and physicists

846
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Helen cherski and Tim O'Brien we'll have

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00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:23,910
a live show from the para pod voice and

848
00:40:28,850 --> 00:40:25,560
the whole event will be emceed by ace

849
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,860
position Dave anak have some laughs meet

850
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:29,760
some new friends

851
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:32,280
make new connections all thrown 109

852
00:40:34,820 --> 00:40:34,380
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00:40:40,850 --> 00:40:37,800
panels podcasts workshops our subtle -

855
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:40,860
statement and lots more check out QED

856
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:43,890
con dot org the details we'll see you in

857
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:45,000
October

858
00:40:51,780 --> 00:40:59,650
his main art spooky action at a distance

859
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:02,330
yes all the hustle and bustle of the

860
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:04,950
Australian Museum during the Sydney

861
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:07,020
Science Festival we're here wandering

862
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,240
around in our lab coats hoping to meet a

863
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:11,400
few scientists or some people that are

864
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:13,560
just getting all science we're in the

865
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,330
main hall here where they have lots of

866
00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:17,760
people we've got commercial people like

867
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:20,190
3m Australia we've got various tertiary

868
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:23,460
adjust institutions here UTS is here and

869
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:25,800
so here they're the they're the site

870
00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:29,910
near the nuclear people I just look over

871
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:30,870
there there's a whole bunch of kids

872
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:31,770
having a lot of fun with the

873
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,280
non-newtonian fluid which means that III

874
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:37,200
yeah what year Newton Newton mucked

875
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,970
around with it oh no he didn't no Newton

876
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:40,880
wasn't allowed to play with that stuff

877
00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:42,660
we're here at the Australian

878
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,420
mathematical Science Institute booth now

879
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:46,800
this is a bit of an issue with me

880
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:47,760
because I've never been particularly

881
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:50,130
good with maths but what's your favorite

882
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:51,510
area of mathematics have you got your

883
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:53,700
degree yet yes I have my PhD in maths

884
00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:57,480
indeed you do your thesis on

885
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:00,030
I studied not theory so studying tying

886
00:42:05,180 --> 00:42:03,510
of knots but in the fourth dimension ah

887
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:05,190
so does that mean you had to rotate the

888
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:07,530
third dimension by 90 degrees or you're

889
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:10,200
talking about time I'm talking about me

890
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:14,190
though it's it's another spatial

891
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:15,630
dimension and actually that's something

892
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:17,130
we're looking at here not the fourth

893
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:19,290
dimension but the second dimension and

894
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,970
how do you take something like the earth

895
00:42:25,070 --> 00:42:22,950
which is a three-dimensional object and

896
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:25,080
draw a two-dimensional map of it so how

897
00:42:28,580 --> 00:42:27,060
do you go down a dimension this is

898
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:28,590
fantastic actually talking my language

899
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:30,390
here now I have read the book flatland

900
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:33,090
which looks at this very point so I

901
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:35,070
imagine the way you do it is you would

902
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:36,780
move the three-dimensional object

903
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:39,480
through the two dimensions and then it

904
00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:41,250
would get wider and smaller or something

905
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:42,750
like that am i anywhere close to the

906
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:44,850
answer there's only one way of doing it

907
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:47,070
it's not the way that we draw maps so in

908
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:49,170
terms of navigation of drawing maps but

909
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:50,430
that's certainly a way that you can go

910
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:51,930
down a dimension by taking cross

911
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:53,490
sections of a shape

912
00:42:59,540 --> 00:42:56,450
so can you tell us what the answer was D

913
00:43:01,339 --> 00:42:59,550
quickly or not for me in terms of

914
00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:01,349
studying the fourth dimension actually

915
00:43:06,109 --> 00:43:03,030
taking cross sections is actually what

916
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:06,119
we did so I don't know how detailed you

917
00:43:10,099 --> 00:43:08,099
would like me to go but I think that's

918
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:10,109
enough for us at home to get into it and

919
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:11,849
what excited you about maths was

920
00:43:15,980 --> 00:43:14,010
something from an early age where just

921
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:15,990
numbers and the fact that they unlock

922
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:17,940
reality was your thing how did you get

923
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:20,190
into it I didn't enjoy maths until I was

924
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:22,290
in about year 11 or 12 at school and I

925
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:24,089
never enjoyed maths when I was younger

926
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,190
because it was boring in school it was

927
00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:28,560
doing calculations it was here's a page

928
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:30,599
of 20 quadratic formula solve them and

929
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:33,150
that didn't interest me and it was going

930
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:35,700
to university and seeing proofs and

931
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:37,710
seeing that creative side of mass which

932
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:40,130
really got me excited about the subject

933
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:42,450
in a shop I bet you'd be really good at

934
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:47,130
making change oh you'd be great oh yeah

935
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:49,020
that's 75 that's 25 cents change because

936
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:50,280
I was really crap at that when I work

937
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,990
for the railway I just imagine you'd be

938
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:53,700
good at that actually can you do just

939
00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:55,619
stuff in your head really well do you

940
00:43:58,660 --> 00:43:57,390
ever do you ever need a calculator

941
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:58,670
[Music]

942
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:01,380
that's another myth of mathematics that

943
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:03,060
to be good at maths you have to be fast

944
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,950
at mental arithmetic and it's not true

945
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:06,960
you talk to most people who have a PhD

946
00:44:11,180 --> 00:44:08,520
in math and they're really awful at

947
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:11,190
mental arithmetic and I'm a geometer I'm

948
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:12,839
all about shapes and patterns and I'm

949
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:15,450
not good at numbers actually so when you

950
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:17,609
see a problem you see it in like knots

951
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,890
doing and undoing I see it in pictures I

952
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:21,599
cannot do math until I draw a picture

953
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:23,849
you were just into maths here are you oh

954
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,950
yeah I love maths my favourite subjects

955
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:27,420
I don't know what's your favourite area

956
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,770
of math so you've got a favorite type of

957
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:29,760
problem you like to solve

958
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:32,250
I like geometry thank you well I think

959
00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:33,660
you'd come you've come to the right

960
00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:36,340
person enjoy your time here

961
00:44:41,350 --> 00:44:38,300
Jessica was excited about geometry

962
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:41,360
wasn't she Richard and origami SS yes

963
00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:43,850
with all the maps they have there you

964
00:44:47,470 --> 00:44:45,320
can fold the all those shapes to make

965
00:44:49,390 --> 00:44:47,480
different globes of the world it's great

966
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:49,400
I said remember there's some

967
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:51,050
mathematical computer equation called a

968
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:53,390
smooth and noodle map as well I'm sure

969
00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:54,740
saying that as people that they're going

970
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,630
yeah he mentioned smooth noodle maps

971
00:45:02,640 --> 00:44:58,640
which is also the name of a Devo album I

972
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:04,420
where are you from

973
00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:06,470
this is jenolan caves and we're about

974
00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:08,420
three and a half hours west of Sydney

975
00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:10,520
and we're here because we're actually

976
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:12,260
promoting a lot of the good science that

977
00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:15,140
we're doing out there so I'm a guide and

978
00:45:18,730 --> 00:45:17,180
I'm actually a paleontologist out there

979
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:18,740
as well so we're gonna see what we

980
00:45:22,090 --> 00:45:20,540
Ferrari now I know more difference

981
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:22,100
between a static not just a like tight

982
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:24,470
but that's where it ends to me okay well

983
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:26,710
there's more to it than that I'm sure

984
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:28,610
what are you showing people here you've

985
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:30,140
got some rocks and it looks like this um

986
00:45:33,730 --> 00:45:31,910
is that a crystal formation of some sort

987
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:33,740
absolutely we brought some of our

988
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:35,780
limestone rock and the limestone is

989
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:38,330
particularly exciting stuff because lime

990
00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:40,490
stones formed from the remains of living

991
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,430
creatures so the limestone is what the

992
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:45,410
crystal comes from so typically they're

993
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:46,610
almost the same thing

994
00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:48,290
so does limestone eventually turn into

995
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:53,240
oil no limestone turns into beautiful

996
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:55,910
cave crystal so and it's a chemical

997
00:45:59,950 --> 00:45:57,470
thing that can happen over many many

998
00:46:02,920 --> 00:45:59,960
millions of years our limestone here is

999
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:02,930
actually what's left of a vast belt of a

1000
00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:06,470
shallow sea that was a Western New South

1001
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:08,390
Wales central New South Wales in this

1002
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:11,090
case is over 400 million years ago so

1003
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:13,910
what we've got our sea shells and corals

1004
00:46:20,290 --> 00:46:18,620
have look we're just having a look

1005
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,300
through we got only a close look up here

1006
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:21,920
never mind glasses under to get make

1007
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:24,060
sure I get a really good look

1008
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:27,270
and so this is an ancient world okay in

1009
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:28,950
ancient coral and when you said four

1010
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:32,370
million years to do 430 million years

1011
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:35,150
ago so when this was a shallow sea

1012
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,170
dinosaurs weren't even gonna peer for

1013
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:39,300
another 200 million years well this is a

1014
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:41,010
shallow sea life on land was just

1015
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:41,910
getting started

1016
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:44,820
and most of the life was in the sea you

1017
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:46,050
weren't going to get your birds or

1018
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:48,270
mammals forget many many betting and

1019
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:50,520
certainly no walking fish Mexican

1020
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:51,780
walking fish not yet they hadn't come

1021
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:54,180
out not yet you had early fishes and

1022
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:56,130
these early fishes were fabulous because

1023
00:46:59,720 --> 00:46:58,140
they had no fins they had no Jaws well

1024
00:47:02,090 --> 00:46:59,730
John's fish were starting up at about

1025
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:02,100
the same time but the world was as far

1026
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:04,050
as backbone creatures the world was a

1027
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,660
world of fishes and most of the life was

1028
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:08,640
in the sea so this was what you find all

1029
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:11,370
over the globe so these are critics and

1030
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:14,010
critics are fabulous related to your

1031
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:16,350
starfish and the Quint nodes are

1032
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:17,730
actually still around today but they're

1033
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,430
very very ancient and it's the mineral

1034
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:23,040
in the shells the coral for this case

1035
00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:23,610
crinoid

1036
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,550
that makes the mineral rock so calcium

1037
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:28,740
carbonate shells calcium carbonate rock

1038
00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:31,020
and then you get the calcium carbonate

1039
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,150
crystal in the chemical reaction that

1040
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,760
will form that is when your rock could

1041
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:38,040
be dissolved away by acidic waters

1042
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,500
happens naturally and then the water

1043
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:43,140
enters caves it ends up dripping into

1044
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,380
caves and the extra carbon dioxide that

1045
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:48,540
makes it acidic evaporates as escapes

1046
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,030
the crystal forms and it's beautiful

1047
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:53,280
stuff and what's the most exciting thing

1048
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:55,020
you've found there in your career at the

1049
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:56,760
john cave so far have you found a rock

1050
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:58,410
you went man this rock is really unique

1051
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:59,220
what have you found

1052
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:01,500
yeah that's excited you well I'm

1053
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:03,930
actually a vertebrate paleontologist and

1054
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:07,260
I actually got most excited at least up

1055
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:09,330
until now by something somebody else had

1056
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:11,610
found but it wasn't identified as what

1057
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:14,520
we had so it's mega food I say too big a

1058
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:15,730
photo and

1059
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:17,890
thought for a long time oh well there

1060
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:20,080
was the Diprotodon of jenolan caves and

1061
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:21,430
that's the biggest marsupial that we

1062
00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:21,940
know of

1063
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:23,800
fabulous Hannibal with a look a large

1064
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,530
one but oh yes yes yes they're like big

1065
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:28,240
one best but they are not one best so

1066
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:30,700
they're called the giant lumbus but they

1067
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:32,290
weren't there was actually a real giant

1068
00:48:36,270 --> 00:48:34,810
love but but what what I did was I

1069
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,280
actually would it had a good look at it

1070
00:48:41,370 --> 00:48:39,040
that's me and I really identified it as

1071
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:41,380
a different animal okay so you can see

1072
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,330
that I'm actually going chipping through

1073
00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:44,800
the rock to have a good look at the

1074
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:47,560
skull it's stuff in the rock and what it

1075
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:49,570
is instead is an edible called as a

1076
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:52,330
group of chourus so difference in the

1077
00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:53,770
spine where you went a hawk was long

1078
00:48:57,450 --> 00:48:55,660
like that yes there's one tooth there's

1079
00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:57,460
the killer tooth if you get to what's

1080
00:49:01,680 --> 00:48:59,410
called the premolar and so i chipped

1081
00:49:04,109 --> 00:49:01,690
away and there was the premolar that is

1082
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:04,119
what is distinctive so size said you

1083
00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:05,440
know shouldn't be a deaf program it's a

1084
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:07,150
bit too small but when I found that

1085
00:49:10,859 --> 00:49:09,430
killer tooth that was what I said yep

1086
00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:10,869
that's it and that was really great

1087
00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:12,700
because that means we can identify that

1088
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:15,220
animal and that is what you'd expect to

1089
00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:17,410
have been in general its nickname is the

1090
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:19,540
swamp owl and it would have been lucky

1091
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:22,630
around in the waterways maybe even in

1092
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:25,570
what's now the Blue Lake and though they

1093
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:27,250
were the animals would expect to have

1094
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:30,100
found only the Ice Age living with the

1095
00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:31,990
Aboriginal people died out maybe thirty

1096
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:33,700
five thirty thousand years ago

1097
00:49:36,359 --> 00:49:35,350
what have all the kids been asked what's

1098
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:36,369
the thing that's been exciting them

1099
00:49:40,109 --> 00:49:37,720
about your rocks here from the john

1100
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:40,119
caves yeah well I mean they love seeing

1101
00:49:43,830 --> 00:49:42,430
fossils I think I think if you ask some

1102
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:43,840
kid if they want to see something that

1103
00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:46,080
got fossils in it they'll go yeah right

1104
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,580
do you want to touch something that was

1105
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:51,040
alive 200 million years before the

1106
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:54,040
dinosaurs oh yeah yeah and where can we

1107
00:49:58,410 --> 00:49:55,510
find you online before we go

1108
00:50:00,960 --> 00:49:58,420
okay that jenolan caves dark day you is

1109
00:50:02,849 --> 00:50:00,970
there Arthur as our address and there is

1110
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:02,859
a website and that's got lots of

1111
00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:04,570
interesting things on it we're going to

1112
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:06,520
be developing special things for the

1113
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:08,180
schools coming up

1114
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,710
we got a new program that we're going to

1115
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:12,079
try to launch it about early 2018 and

1116
00:50:17,799 --> 00:50:15,529
that'll include things on specifically

1117
00:50:20,019 --> 00:50:17,809
science that's related to jenolan the

1118
00:50:22,539 --> 00:50:20,029
minerals the scape science the

1119
00:50:24,789 --> 00:50:22,549
paleontology programs that are actually

1120
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:24,799
really relevant to what kids might be

1121
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:26,930
interested in what the school curriculum

1122
00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:29,390
at some point might be that's a little

1123
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:31,400
ways down the line and what New South

1124
00:50:36,099 --> 00:50:33,950
Wales is all about in the past to the

1125
00:50:38,019 --> 00:50:36,109
present so we've got living you know

1126
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:38,029
ecosystems lots of endangered species

1127
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:40,430
lots of stops cool thank you have a good

1128
00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:42,890
day happy science week thank you - thank

1129
00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:48,020
you this room is just full of people

1130
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,640
have done science it's full of people

1131
00:50:54,370 --> 00:50:51,920
Bennett University for more than the day

1132
00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:54,380
that I was there and I went on the day

1133
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:00,870
I've just wanted past the joint academic

1134
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:03,160
microbiology seminars or jams as they're

1135
00:51:06,269 --> 00:51:04,240
known if you're looking for your

1136
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,279
weaponized bird flu and you've got some

1137
00:51:10,529 --> 00:51:08,079
money left in a blackops budget are you

1138
00:51:12,450 --> 00:51:10,539
get the guys to come - we focus on lots

1139
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:12,460
of different types of microorganisms not

1140
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,440
all bad but yeah we do work with

1141
00:51:19,049 --> 00:51:17,440
pathogens and dangerous bacteria have

1142
00:51:20,849 --> 00:51:19,059
you had the level 5 suit on everything

1143
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:20,859
on some of my colleagues have yep so

1144
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:22,180
some of them are currently working on a

1145
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:24,250
bowler wearing the UM wearing the full

1146
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:26,440
suits to protect them but what I find

1147
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:27,849
weird about a bowl is you've got the guy

1148
00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:29,529
with the suit then standing 20 feet away

1149
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:30,760
there's someone with a clipboard and

1150
00:51:34,289 --> 00:51:32,890
shorts that's always a bit weird that's

1151
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:34,299
an administrative problem but if you're

1152
00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:37,210
actually handling the bacteria then yeah

1153
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:38,500
I mean and so those guys are working in

1154
00:51:41,819 --> 00:51:39,910
some pretty tough conditions but when

1155
00:51:43,769 --> 00:51:41,829
you're actually handling the viruses

1156
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:43,779
then you need need that level of

1157
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:45,730
protection yep well having that protects

1158
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:47,170
the rest of our skin from getting sick

1159
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:48,970
from these diseases yeah now you've got

1160
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:50,890
down the front here a couple of now you

1161
00:51:54,059 --> 00:51:52,450
got you know you favor the bacterias

1162
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:54,069
you've got no time for the viruses where

1163
00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:55,180
do you sit where do you sit

1164
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,369
I work with bacteria but I'm a lot of my

1165
00:52:01,140 --> 00:51:59,200
colleagues work with viruses as well and

1166
00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:01,150
microscopic higher organisms are

1167
00:52:04,769 --> 00:52:03,160
eukaryotes let's say we do everything

1168
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:04,779
and funghi now what have you got down

1169
00:52:07,650 --> 00:52:06,130
here and you've been asking if you got

1170
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:07,660
climb idiot here that's because it's

1171
00:52:11,579 --> 00:52:09,640
kind of a microbiology thing it's like a

1172
00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:11,589
small it's not a virus but it's a small

1173
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:13,000
back that has it work where does it sit

1174
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,980
in your frontier so that's the yeah

1175
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:16,000
that's your right that's sort of halfway

1176
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:18,010
between in this behavior between a virus

1177
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:19,960
and a bacterium and we don't have that

1178
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:21,010
one here but we do have similar

1179
00:52:25,859 --> 00:52:23,260
organisms so what we've got is a whole

1180
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:25,869
suite here of different viruses fungi

1181
00:52:29,849 --> 00:52:27,609
and bacterias that do different things

1182
00:52:32,010 --> 00:52:29,859
some are good and some are bad so we

1183
00:52:33,450 --> 00:52:32,020
have the good guys like yeast which is a

1184
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,460
fungus that of course we used to make

1185
00:52:37,019 --> 00:52:35,440
bread and beer now I'm looking at what

1186
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,029
might is that the chicken pox one the

1187
00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:39,520
spotted one yeah was that small percent

1188
00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:41,500
small needles that's amazing but we do

1189
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:42,940
have the small pox one as well

1190
00:52:47,970 --> 00:52:45,010
this is golden staph so this is an

1191
00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:47,980
antibiotic resistant bacteria so you can

1192
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,260
see that it's wearing a cape that's a

1193
00:52:54,029 --> 00:52:52,240
super bug so this is where a lot of

1194
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:54,039
research is focused on the moment in

1195
00:52:57,839 --> 00:52:56,470
understanding how these bacteria become

1196
00:52:59,039 --> 00:52:57,849
resistant to antibiotics

1197
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:59,049
yeah and how we can prevent that

1198
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,160
happening because that's a massive

1199
00:53:03,390 --> 00:53:01,839
problem at the moment but what's what is

1200
00:53:04,289 --> 00:53:03,400
the current method that most most

1201
00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:04,299
antibiotics

1202
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,460
killed the bacteria like that dude they

1203
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:08,079
deny them food do they take something

1204
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:08,800
out of their Dean

1205
00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:10,270
well how do they normally work what's

1206
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:11,500
the mechanism and there's a few

1207
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:13,420
different mechanisms so classically they

1208
00:53:17,790 --> 00:53:15,850
interfered with the chemicals that make

1209
00:53:20,580 --> 00:53:17,800
the cell wall or the structure of the

1210
00:53:22,770 --> 00:53:20,590
bacteria by interfering the synthesis of

1211
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:22,780
those chemicals but now there's a lot of

1212
00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:25,030
types they interrupt different stages of

1213
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:26,380
what's called the metabolism of the

1214
00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:29,650
cells so that's how the cell grows from

1215
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:31,540
the instructions in its genome to

1216
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:33,130
actually performing functions via

1217
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:35,560
enzymes and it blocks different stages

1218
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:36,970
and different antibiotics work in

1219
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:38,950
different ways some target the genes

1220
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,170
that get switched on some interfere with

1221
00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:43,380
parts of the cell that are being made by

1222
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:45,340
constructive parts of the cell like the

1223
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:47,470
cell wall being synthesized now see

1224
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:50,290
we've got some ecoli back there that's

1225
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:51,610
pretty much everywhere poo is everywhere

1226
00:53:55,350 --> 00:53:54,190
isn't it yep yep so we coli : really is

1227
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:55,360
everywhere it's sort of the model

1228
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,610
organism that we use in the lab but it's

1229
00:54:01,320 --> 00:53:59,440
also present in our bodies and in our

1230
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:01,330
guts and it's also present in things

1231
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:04,150
like um waterways and then some are good

1232
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:05,470
and some are bad so a lot of these

1233
00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:08,050
species are very variable so if it's in

1234
00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:09,340
the right place doing the right thing

1235
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:10,600
it's good for you and it's part of our

1236
00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:13,030
natural micro flora but also different

1237
00:54:17,580 --> 00:54:15,940
strains can cause disease particularly

1238
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:17,590
if they're coming from say feces into

1239
00:54:21,810 --> 00:54:19,930
water and then we're consuming them so

1240
00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:21,820
yeah these things are quite complicated

1241
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:23,800
in different species do different things

1242
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:24,850
in different environments

1243
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:28,450
now would you encounter polio in the

1244
00:54:31,470 --> 00:54:29,950
wild very normally here now I know

1245
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:31,480
people might not be getting it as much

1246
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:33,490
in Australia but is it is this a turn-up

1247
00:54:38,940 --> 00:54:36,610
anyway is it our blue normally I've

1248
00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:38,950
believe largely it's been eradicated in

1249
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:40,390
Australia but in other parts of the

1250
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:42,550
world it's not but the actual organism

1251
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:44,680
that causes it potentially could exist

1252
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:47,470
at a low level so there's a theory

1253
00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:49,810
called the bus backing hypothesis that's

1254
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:51,700
a bit of a calm loving that don't say it

1255
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:54,640
again the bus pecking hypothesis so

1256
00:54:59,010 --> 00:54:56,710
those two people were content that was

1257
00:55:00,810 --> 00:54:59,020
his last name but but what it is is the

1258
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:00,820
theory that everything is everywhere and

1259
00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:03,490
the environment selects so a lot of

1260
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:05,500
microorganisms occur everywhere on the

1261
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:07,570
planet at a really low abundance and

1262
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:09,610
when the environment changes they can

1263
00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:11,710
become really abundant really quickly so

1264
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:13,420
that's something to be aware of when we

1265
00:55:17,550 --> 00:55:15,610
think of things like climate change in

1266
00:55:18,810 --> 00:55:17,560
pollution and what what would that will

1267
00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:18,820
pause in the environment and what

1268
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,920
bacteria might respond to that

1269
00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:22,960
so where can we find the joint academic

1270
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:25,030
microbiology seminars online bit more

1271
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:26,290
about we've been telling us you can find

1272
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:29,800
us online at jams dot org dot au

1273
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:31,930
so what jams is is we're a monthly

1274
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,850
meeting of microbiologists that meet in

1275
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:36,400
Sydney and we welcome the public to come

1276
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,470
to that what would it do Oh hidden if we

1277
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:41,440
haven't been the Uni but no sort of it

1278
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:44,470
tends to be academic but we welcome

1279
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:45,430
everyone and we're happy to always have

1280
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:47,710
a chat and explain what we're doing and

1281
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:49,090
so that's once a month on the last

1282
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:50,470
Tuesday of the month and you can check

1283
00:55:55,020 --> 00:55:52,360
out our website we also do a lot of

1284
00:55:57,330 --> 00:55:55,030
talks and events with the public as well

1285
00:56:03,020 --> 00:55:57,340
so lots of Twitter one there our Twitter

1286
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:03,030
is at gems org au so at symbol J AMS o

1287
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:06,160
RG au and if you send us a tweet we

1288
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:07,840
always happy to get in touch and talk

1289
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:11,530
about microbiology of course on the

1290
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:13,210
science floor here for the Sydney

1291
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:15,130
Festival of Scientific got here and what

1292
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:16,570
are you showing the kids today

1293
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:19,210
my name is Olga I'm from wildlife cities

1294
00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:21,130
ER and we're just got some little stick

1295
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:22,870
insects there we've got some young ones

1296
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:24,910
some older ones and a few different

1297
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:27,910
species too you can see the ones that

1298
00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:30,190
look like coat up leaves they're

1299
00:56:35,310 --> 00:56:32,380
actually spiny leaf insects I known as

1300
00:56:37,110 --> 00:56:35,320
the McClay Spectre and they're not

1301
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:37,120
actually a leaf insect surprisingly no

1302
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:38,710
because I do find them all over

1303
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:40,020
Australia or just on the east coast

1304
00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:42,610
mainly on the East Coast but we do have

1305
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:44,980
phasmid all over Australia all different

1306
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,170
species so we do have a little bit of a

1307
00:56:52,339 --> 00:56:49,680
selection a few different

1308
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:52,349
a few different ones for the kids to

1309
00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:54,780
have a look at the most popular ones of

1310
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:57,510
course are always the biggest Oh which

1311
00:57:01,730 --> 00:56:59,640
in this case is the spiny leaf insect

1312
00:57:05,299 --> 00:57:01,740
you can see that the heavy abdomen on

1313
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:05,309
the female that's full of eggs Wow and

1314
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:07,020
so how many eggs would she drop in one

1315
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:10,170
go she drops them one at a time although

1316
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,390
she actually flicks them away far away

1317
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:14,700
and if you have a close look at the eggs

1318
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:17,130
they have a little nodule on the end

1319
00:57:22,579 --> 00:57:20,460
that's scented it actually attracts ants

1320
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:22,589
and the ants come over pick up the egg

1321
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:24,809
and carry it down into their nest

1322
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:27,420
because they think it's food but they

1323
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,390
don't eat the egg and so when the young

1324
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:33,000
hatch out do they eat the ants no no the

1325
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:36,030
young are also vegetarian so they're all

1326
00:57:41,260 --> 00:57:38,609
herbivores they eat eucalyptus leaf you

1327
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:41,270
know I look at her she's so cute and

1328
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:43,770
they'll actually climb out they look

1329
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,390
like ants when they're little they'll

1330
00:57:50,180 --> 00:57:47,400
climb out of the ant nest climb all the

1331
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:50,190
way up at the tree and then they sort of

1332
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:52,020
slow down quite a lot you can see how

1333
00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:54,150
slow she is the babies are actually

1334
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:55,260
quite fast

1335
00:58:00,260 --> 00:57:58,770
oh and now does she they solar-powered

1336
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,270
like when it's warm they're more active

1337
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:01,680
when it's cold they just go into a leaf

1338
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:03,150
and stay then that's a really good

1339
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:03,569
question

1340
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:05,970
just like reptiles these guys are

1341
00:58:10,819 --> 00:58:08,280
ectotherms so they are cold-blooded and

1342
00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:10,829
they do rely on solar energy to help

1343
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:13,230
them move wow that's quite cool and now

1344
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,700
people are pretty happy to have stick

1345
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:16,380
insects on them and stuff like that they

1346
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:17,700
probably wouldn't feel the same way

1347
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:19,230
about spiders why do you think people

1348
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:21,240
have got the arachnophobia where they

1349
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:22,680
don't necessarily feel bad about the

1350
00:58:26,839 --> 00:58:25,260
stick insect oh to be honest a lot of

1351
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:26,849
people do feel bad about the stick

1352
00:58:31,789 --> 00:58:29,369
insects until we tell them that they're

1353
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:31,799
not able to bite them so I think with

1354
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:33,930
spiders a lot of it it's just people

1355
00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:35,640
don't understand that most spiders

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aren't willing to sacrifice their venom

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on a large animal also spiders don't eat

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you yeah they don't eat us and if you're

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not a threat to them they don't feel the

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need to use them

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so we did have a spiders exhibition here

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just a little while ago you're saying

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the movie six legged freaks is not true

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no the six you may throw that

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eight-legged freak so the insect was a

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pretty dull movie the little six legged

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freaks and then we've got arachnids of

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course the eight legged freaks okay look

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this is brother just lining up to have a

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good look like kids love him anything

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that moves and as long as it doesn't

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bite them suddenly feel like oh I'm an

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adding animal Wrangler it really gives

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them a bit of a hands-on experience I

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think it's a it's a great way to bring

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nature into the classroom as well as we

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can where can we find more of your

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nature online online we do have a

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website wild life Sydney z.com did I you

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I believe wow you caught me off guard oh

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okay and have a good day here with the

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kids no worries thank you so much I hope

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you guys have a great time here at the

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Science Festival see ya well Richard

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00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:49,810
look we've been wandering around here

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now what have you seen I've seen a few

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people had seen a stick insect we've

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seen I've tried to get bird flu

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weaponized there unsuccessfully down

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01:00:00,210 --> 00:59:57,580
with those scientists what do you been

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01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:00,220
up to I was just looking at the the gene

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01:00:05,130 --> 01:00:03,370
technology from jellyfish and tiny

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01:00:07,530 --> 01:00:05,140
little creatures that swarm and multiply

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01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,540
in a drop of water mmm

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01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:09,520
hey look I love the person that the

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University of Sydney they're they've a

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big person enjoy what you do and it'll

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work out I couldn't agree more the

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01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,930
hardest bit is finding the thing to

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enjoy it pays isn't that Richard that's

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a tough bit we and we're trying minato

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01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:23,680
how we're trying I found it but these

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01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,150
days I just seem to be making ramen to

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01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:27,760
you hello skeptic zone cub reporter mane

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01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:30,070
out of here at a very tense moment in

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01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:31,990
this Sydney Science Festival as we are

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01:00:36,090 --> 01:00:34,000
waiting to do a couple of shows of

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01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:36,100
skeptics investigators thingy mystery

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01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,150
investigators always get that wrong

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01:00:41,970 --> 01:00:39,760
Richard Nam in the show hello we just

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01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:41,980
focus we're here about to perform for

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01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:44,050
two groups of school students would

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01:00:48,510 --> 01:00:47,050
perform your morning mmm and that

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01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:48,520
munching sound you can hear is actually

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01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:50,140
our breakfast which happens to consist

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01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:52,540
of a minty each yes I was up at 4:00

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01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:55,330
this morning don't ask and been going

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01:00:58,350 --> 01:00:56,560
all day and I completely forgot to have

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:00:58,360
breakfast so that good Australian tip

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01:01:01,930 --> 01:01:00,290
for all you overseas listeners

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01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,940
if you can't have breakfast have a minty

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:03,680
at least and it cures any breath problem

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01:01:07,660 --> 01:01:05,450
we have as well it does and we're

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01:01:10,690 --> 01:01:07,670
preparing we've got our divining rods

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01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:10,700
the juggling balls touch and bending

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01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:13,550
spoon mmm now the or by the by the way

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01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:16,430
if speaking of spoons see if you can

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:19,790
find on youtube I play the spoons by

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01:01:24,610 --> 01:01:22,370
Clive done from dad's Arnie's yes that's

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:24,620
a song I play the spoons it's terrible

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01:01:28,510 --> 01:01:26,570
but you'll enjoy it all right well we

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01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:28,520
better get ready in about 10 minutes the

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01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:30,530
rooms gonna be packed this theater will

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01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:32,900
be packed with big groups of high school

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01:01:36,610 --> 01:01:35,090
students they hold the microphone and I

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01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,620
will apply a little the wonders of

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01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:38,480
science I'll be hearing this is

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01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:40,310
maynard's contribution to science

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01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:42,620
everybody you often wondered well this

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is it

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01:01:53,650 --> 01:01:49,180
[Music]

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01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,660
wonder what I'm like doing that noise

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:55,760
you can hear is high school students

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01:02:03,950 --> 01:01:57,770
filing in and doing what high school

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01:02:13,290 --> 01:02:11,130
is the Northwest and this Haskell's from

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01:02:15,630 --> 01:02:13,300
Seven Hills Sagan hear these screams of

1447
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:15,640
delight hopefully from the his seven

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01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:33,940
[Music]

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01:03:06,499 --> 01:02:55,720
[Applause]

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to appear on TV movies and things like

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01:03:14,819 --> 01:03:12,009
that I did a show on channel 7 so Mexico

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01:03:17,689 --> 01:03:14,829
and also Mac - sometimes on home a

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01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:17,699
healthy TV shows and then I am playing a

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01:03:26,669 --> 01:03:24,400
theater for high schools the show went

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01:03:28,529 --> 01:03:26,679
very well and then came the time for

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01:03:33,269 --> 01:03:28,539
Richard to lie on the bed of nails

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01:03:35,669 --> 01:03:33,279
Willie survived really live to put

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01:03:57,209 --> 01:03:35,679
yourself on the bed of nails another day

1459
01:04:08,429 --> 01:03:57,219
hope so who's there Richard Saunders on

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01:04:10,439 --> 01:04:08,439
the bed of tetanus if you haven't be

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01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:10,449
very careful with the liner and one

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01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:12,249
thing you must never do is let anybody

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01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:13,110
stand on

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01:04:30,550 --> 01:04:17,830
[Applause]

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richard has survived the bed of nails

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01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:34,560
and the children are frankly amazed in

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01:05:05,930 --> 01:04:36,210
that kind of a way that children are

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01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:05,940
sometimes for another year at the Sydney

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01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:21,540
[Music]

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on may not condone are you welcome to

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01:05:35,290 --> 01:05:32,920
bunga bunga 39 39 episodes 39 events 39

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01:05:37,540 --> 01:05:35,300
cataclysms with a show the challenges

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01:05:40,460 --> 01:05:37,550
the government the god and your very

1474
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:40,470
self on today's show you'll hear

1475
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:42,390
Angela here there are times are lots of

1476
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:43,890
it that we all managed to get pretty

1477
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:49,200
grabbing that thing over there and two

1478
01:05:51,740 --> 01:05:50,310
more we hear from you

1479
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:51,750
well we won't be talking about this

1480
01:06:05,210 --> 01:05:56,280
you're a selfish arrogant on Manor

1481
01:06:16,420 --> 01:06:05,220
calmed are you are you

1482
01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:18,860
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1483
01:06:24,530 --> 01:06:20,940
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01:06:27,110 --> 01:06:24,540
from Iran Sega Vizia travels around the

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:27,120
world heading for the European skeptics

1486
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:29,970
Congress coming up in Poland where I'm

1487
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:32,610
delighted to say he will be a speaker if

1488
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:36,930
you want to attend that meeting which is

1489
01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:39,630
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01:06:45,860 --> 01:06:43,260
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01:06:48,530 --> 01:06:45,870
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01:06:50,330 --> 01:06:48,540
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01:07:43,610 --> 01:07:40,830
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01:07:46,610 --> 01:07:43,620
forward to next week Maynard and I are

1514
01:07:48,530 --> 01:07:46,620
off to a high school here in Sydney to

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01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:48,540
perform the our mystery investigators

1516
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:50,850
show once again should be a lot of fun

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01:07:56,180 --> 01:07:53,160
oh and don't forget to check out my

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:07:56,190
notes podcasts at Maynard comm dot au

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01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,770
but for this week this is Richard

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01:08:05,470 --> 01:08:01,200
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:07,880
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